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The obvious unit to counter the archer-immune huskarls are two-hand swordsmen or champions, but Persians can not create both, nor other strong infantry. Cavaliers or Paladins are no option, because the Goths can easily mix in cost-reduced pikes.
Persians also have no better Siege weapons, nor can I find an other significant advantage that could be exploited. Any idea how they have chance (assuming similar beginner-to-medium skilled players and open map)?
What is the role of the monks? Keeping the crossbows alive?
Are hussars effective against the huskarls?
And hussars match huskarls in 1v1 post-imp while letting your hcs do good damage.
The 25% cost reduced pikes would leave knights/hussars little chance if much of the crossbow fire goes toward the huskarls.
hc=heavy camel?
skirm cheap and not bad vs pikes
what do you think carlos?
But as the enemy would easily spam mixed pikes and huskarls, the main concern remains that half of the skirm/crossbow fire is wasted toward huskarls, so the pikes could continue their very cost-effective job versus the expensive cavalry.
On top of that, Persian eco advantage seems smaller than the Gothic cost reduction of infantry units.
That would avoid the costs of using two gold units. Requires that pikes are at least somewhat useful against huskarls.
And knights and xbows need better eco to win vs huskarls and pikes in general. As I mentioned, take advantage of persian eco and the fact that goth will need a castle anyway. Further, to make huskarls in enough numbers he will probably need the anarchy which costs even more. Another tip is, incase you can control a hill, 2-3 mangonels work as great addition vs goth army along with your xbow/monk/knight army.
Army-wise pike+husks or halb+elite husks have an advantage over knight+xbow or hussar +hc.
Pikes + crossbows makes no sense in castle age vs husks because both lose very bad.
Which contradicts spmoo's hope they would win quite comfortably
Better eco sounds hard, since the Persian eco bonus is only 15%, while the Goths infantry cost bonus is 25% which translates into 25% eco bonus under these circumstances...
This is not CBA, you need a strong economy to pump full upgraded elephants, a smart player will send a group of Huskarls right away on a gap to get inside into your economy, once inside he will raid your economy and raze your TC's wich will freeze your resource's gathering and since it's an open map I doubt you will even have the time to pump Elite War Elephants anyway.